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		<title>By: Will Dayton be among the Bike Friendly? &#124; Dayton MostMetro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Dayton be among the Bike Friendly? &#124; Dayton MostMetro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my Commissioner Nan Whaley, striped bike lanes on downtown roads, produced a transportation based bike map for the entire city limits, and most of all, completed and submitted a Bike Friendly Community [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my Commissioner Nan Whaley, striped bike lanes on downtown roads, produced a transportation based bike map for the entire city limits, and most of all, completed and submitted a Bike Friendly Community [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Outdoor Evangelist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outdoor Evangelist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Version 2.0 of the City of Dayton Bike Map now available. Check it out.  http://www.daytonmostmetro.com/?p=4256</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Version 2.0 of the City of Dayton Bike Map now available. Check it out.  <a href="http://www.daytonmostmetro.com/?p=4256" rel="nofollow">http://www.daytonmostmetro.com/?p=4256</a></p>
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		<title>By: nedthecycledude</title>
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		<dc:creator>nedthecycledude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent 3 months in early 2008 working out of our Denver office.  Being there for an extended period of time, I was able to take my bike with me and spend time commuting to work as well as riding around Denver on the weekends.  

Denver has a good Bicycle Route map (www.dbtc.org).  I totally agree with the comment below that you need to highlight Bicylce ROUTES, not routes that are NOT recommended for bicycles.  I say this becasue I believe you want to target the less expereienced/novice rider to a medium level riders.  Expereinced riders will find their own way regardless of a map.  

The primary items labeled on the Denver map are:  (1) primary bike paths like our River Cooridoor Trail system; (2) on-street bike routes (i.e., marked bike lanes); (3) secondary bike paths; (4) trail head parking lots; (5) points of interest; and (6) Park n Rides.

It is great to see the Dayton Region taking this so seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent 3 months in early 2008 working out of our Denver office.  Being there for an extended period of time, I was able to take my bike with me and spend time commuting to work as well as riding around Denver on the weekends.  </p>
<p>Denver has a good Bicycle Route map (www.dbtc.org).  I totally agree with the comment below that you need to highlight Bicylce ROUTES, not routes that are NOT recommended for bicycles.  I say this becasue I believe you want to target the less expereienced/novice rider to a medium level riders.  Expereinced riders will find their own way regardless of a map.  </p>
<p>The primary items labeled on the Denver map are:  (1) primary bike paths like our River Cooridoor Trail system; (2) on-street bike routes (i.e., marked bike lanes); (3) secondary bike paths; (4) trail head parking lots; (5) points of interest; and (6) Park n Rides.</p>
<p>It is great to see the Dayton Region taking this so seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: powerskirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>powerskirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see an overlay of population concentration on this map. Wherever there are high concentrations of people, there should be solid green routes reaching them. 

I&#039;d like to see the criteria for making a street green, yellow or red on this map. I wouldn&#039;t consider brown st by UD yellow, and if you look at that section of town, there are gaps connecting the university (or MVH) to downtown in any way.

There&#039;s also no way to get from the northside of the river to downtown without using a red street. There is a bridge over the Great Miami near the Jewish Center that doesn&#039;t exist, and the Monument Street Bridge is missing altogether. You could make the Monument bridge a bike friendly bridge since the traffic is lighter there than main or third streets, but it is currently designated one way for motor vehicles. 

There are also no ways to get to downtown from the deep east or northwest (including Grandview Hospital) - which is where a lot of cyclists who rely on bikes as a major means of transportation live. 

Call me crazy, but those seem like significant issues, and this map only makes that more apparent. Perhaps the map was created to better understand the issues we are facing to make the community bike friendly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see an overlay of population concentration on this map. Wherever there are high concentrations of people, there should be solid green routes reaching them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the criteria for making a street green, yellow or red on this map. I wouldn&#8217;t consider brown st by UD yellow, and if you look at that section of town, there are gaps connecting the university (or MVH) to downtown in any way.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also no way to get from the northside of the river to downtown without using a red street. There is a bridge over the Great Miami near the Jewish Center that doesn&#8217;t exist, and the Monument Street Bridge is missing altogether. You could make the Monument bridge a bike friendly bridge since the traffic is lighter there than main or third streets, but it is currently designated one way for motor vehicles. </p>
<p>There are also no ways to get to downtown from the deep east or northwest (including Grandview Hospital) &#8211; which is where a lot of cyclists who rely on bikes as a major means of transportation live. </p>
<p>Call me crazy, but those seem like significant issues, and this map only makes that more apparent. Perhaps the map was created to better understand the issues we are facing to make the community bike friendly?</p>
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		<title>By: Dayton&#8217;s bike community and a new blog on the blogroll! &#171; For the Love of Dayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dayton&#8217;s bike community and a new blog on the blogroll! &#171; For the Love of Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Do yourself a favor and go read more at his blog http://myfiveminutecommute.wordpress.com and check out Dayton MostMetro&#8217;s newest post on biking in Dayton. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Do yourself a favor and go read more at his blog <a href="http://myfiveminutecommute.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://myfiveminutecommute.wordpress.com</a> and check out Dayton MostMetro&#8217;s newest post on biking in Dayton. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: danc</title>
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		<dc:creator>danc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikerichmond.org (Mark Stosberg) shows a excellent general purpose map for commuters and the process of identifying bike routes.
http://mark.stosberg.com/bike/bike-route-mapping/ 

Questions that need to be addressed:
1) Who is the primary map user: transportation, recreational cyclists?
2) Is there a need from &quot;traffic volume&quot; rating? 
3) Level of street identification, which major and minor streets?
4) Cartographer with bike experience (Steve Spindler Cartography or Stosberg)?
5) Need for web (mobile) interface with user input?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikerichmond.org (Mark Stosberg) shows a excellent general purpose map for commuters and the process of identifying bike routes.<br />
<a href="http://mark.stosberg.com/bike/bike-route-mapping/" rel="nofollow">http://mark.stosberg.com/bike/bike-route-mapping/</a> </p>
<p>Questions that need to be addressed:<br />
1) Who is the primary map user: transportation, recreational cyclists?<br />
2) Is there a need from &#8220;traffic volume&#8221; rating?<br />
3) Level of street identification, which major and minor streets?<br />
4) Cartographer with bike experience (Steve Spindler Cartography or Stosberg)?<br />
5) Need for web (mobile) interface with user input?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree; this map should identify a network of streets that work WELL for cyclists.  There is no need to show a red street unless it is the only alternative in that area.

Consider Portland, Oregon&#039;s bike map (http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34809&amp;a=181308).  SE Hawthorne Blvd is certainly not a recommended route, although some cyclists use it.  Hawthorne is not highlighted on the map, but is the same gray as any other non-route street.  It is drawn with a thicker line to help with navigation, but the point of this map is to identify the GOOD alternatives a few blocks away: Salmon/Taylor and Harrison/Lincoln.

Here in Dayton, East 3rd street should not be drawn in red.  Instead, either 4th or 5th can be shown as a better alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree; this map should identify a network of streets that work WELL for cyclists.  There is no need to show a red street unless it is the only alternative in that area.</p>
<p>Consider Portland, Oregon&#8217;s bike map (<a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34809&#038;a=181308" rel="nofollow">http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34809&#038;a=181308</a>).  SE Hawthorne Blvd is certainly not a recommended route, although some cyclists use it.  Hawthorne is not highlighted on the map, but is the same gray as any other non-route street.  It is drawn with a thicker line to help with navigation, but the point of this map is to identify the GOOD alternatives a few blocks away: Salmon/Taylor and Harrison/Lincoln.</p>
<p>Here in Dayton, East 3rd street should not be drawn in red.  Instead, either 4th or 5th can be shown as a better alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second a couple statements by Danc:
&quot;Consider Columbia, MO Skill Level legend: Beginner, Experience &amp; Advanced
&quot;• Beginner: Streets that have low to medium traffic volumes, slower motor vehicle speeds, or wide pavement widths.&quot;
These streets would be GREEN.
&quot;• Experienced: Streets that experienced riders use for commuting and cross-town traveling. Includes streets with medium to high traffic volumes.&quot;
These streets would be BLUE.?
&quot;• Advanced: Streets with high traffic volumes and speeds, narrow street widths, or difficult intersections.&quot;
These streets would be YELLOW or RED.

&quot;Did anyone think about labeling streets as “NOT RECOMMENDED” could disadvantage cyclist in any legal case? The Government “imprimatur” in a sense is undermining cyclists legal rights. &quot;

My experience as a victim in court is that an auto driver&#039;s defense lawyer could indeed use the map with &quot;not recommended&quot; against a cyclist.

Now for some direct observations about the map:
1. The overlay of Riverside Dr. from Helena south over the bike path should be reversed.
2. The bikeway-bridge over the Miami north of the confluence with Mad River should be removed.
3. The walk-bike-way across the Riverside Dr bridge should be added.
4. Remove the pale yellow color and pale magenta boundary for City of Dayton limits.
5. I disagree with the GREEN designations of Cornell Dr, all downtown streets, Catalpa, and Stewart streets. My personal use says they have too much traffic for a preferred route or beginner route. Their color should be yellow (or blue for experienced cyclists.
6. I disagree with leaving the bikeway green from the Experience Center (on Magee) south to Catalpa/Oakridge. It should be yellow, due to its disrepair.
7. I suggest adding Princeton from Salem to Wesleyan Park as a green route.
8. I suggest adding Belmonte Pk N to Superior to Catalpa as a green route.
9. I suggest adding Broadway from W 3rd north to Superior as a yellow route. 
10. Add the bikeway from Wesleyan Park to the Experience Center.
11. The red downtown streets could be designated yellow.
12. Jackson St to the biekway overpass of US 35 could be designated green.
13. The &quot;bikeway&quot; designated at the boundary of Dayton and Oakwood should be yellow. It is traversable only by mountain bike. With shocks.
14. Enlist Oakwood, Riverside, Kettering, Moraine, Jeffereson Twp, Trotwood, Harrison Twp, and Huber Heights to contribute to this map!
15. This map, with its disjunct routes, should become a tool to support signage and development for direct, cross-city cycling routes for school access, park access, and commuting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second a couple statements by Danc:<br />
&#8220;Consider Columbia, MO Skill Level legend: Beginner, Experience &#038; Advanced<br />
&#8220;• Beginner: Streets that have low to medium traffic volumes, slower motor vehicle speeds, or wide pavement widths.&#8221;<br />
These streets would be GREEN.<br />
&#8220;• Experienced: Streets that experienced riders use for commuting and cross-town traveling. Includes streets with medium to high traffic volumes.&#8221;<br />
These streets would be BLUE.?<br />
&#8220;• Advanced: Streets with high traffic volumes and speeds, narrow street widths, or difficult intersections.&#8221;<br />
These streets would be YELLOW or RED.</p>
<p>&#8220;Did anyone think about labeling streets as “NOT RECOMMENDED” could disadvantage cyclist in any legal case? The Government “imprimatur” in a sense is undermining cyclists legal rights. &#8221;</p>
<p>My experience as a victim in court is that an auto driver&#8217;s defense lawyer could indeed use the map with &#8220;not recommended&#8221; against a cyclist.</p>
<p>Now for some direct observations about the map:<br />
1. The overlay of Riverside Dr. from Helena south over the bike path should be reversed.<br />
2. The bikeway-bridge over the Miami north of the confluence with Mad River should be removed.<br />
3. The walk-bike-way across the Riverside Dr bridge should be added.<br />
4. Remove the pale yellow color and pale magenta boundary for City of Dayton limits.<br />
5. I disagree with the GREEN designations of Cornell Dr, all downtown streets, Catalpa, and Stewart streets. My personal use says they have too much traffic for a preferred route or beginner route. Their color should be yellow (or blue for experienced cyclists.<br />
6. I disagree with leaving the bikeway green from the Experience Center (on Magee) south to Catalpa/Oakridge. It should be yellow, due to its disrepair.<br />
7. I suggest adding Princeton from Salem to Wesleyan Park as a green route.<br />
8. I suggest adding Belmonte Pk N to Superior to Catalpa as a green route.<br />
9. I suggest adding Broadway from W 3rd north to Superior as a yellow route.<br />
10. Add the bikeway from Wesleyan Park to the Experience Center.<br />
11. The red downtown streets could be designated yellow.<br />
12. Jackson St to the biekway overpass of US 35 could be designated green.<br />
13. The &#8220;bikeway&#8221; designated at the boundary of Dayton and Oakwood should be yellow. It is traversable only by mountain bike. With shocks.<br />
14. Enlist Oakwood, Riverside, Kettering, Moraine, Jeffereson Twp, Trotwood, Harrison Twp, and Huber Heights to contribute to this map!<br />
15. This map, with its disjunct routes, should become a tool to support signage and development for direct, cross-city cycling routes for school access, park access, and commuting!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Stosberg has nicely documented the process they went through to create bike maps in Richmond, Indiana:

http://mark.stosberg.com/bike/bike-route-mapping/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Stosberg has nicely documented the process they went through to create bike maps in Richmond, Indiana:</p>
<p><a href="http://mark.stosberg.com/bike/bike-route-mapping/" rel="nofollow">http://mark.stosberg.com/bike/bike-route-mapping/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us not familiar with the Dayton area, it would be helpful if trailhead parking areas on the regional bike trails were added to the map.

An overview map, or inserts, for the regional bike trails showing where the trails that continue beyond the limits of the map go,  would also be  helpful.

Mileage marked on the map at one mile intervals for the regional bike trails  would be a nice touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us not familiar with the Dayton area, it would be helpful if trailhead parking areas on the regional bike trails were added to the map.</p>
<p>An overview map, or inserts, for the regional bike trails showing where the trails that continue beyond the limits of the map go,  would also be  helpful.</p>
<p>Mileage marked on the map at one mile intervals for the regional bike trails  would be a nice touch.</p>
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